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Welcome to the Illuminati Matitude and Hamas.
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My name is the famous.
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As we fuller, humble adversity lifts us.
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And we can humble uncomfortable interest and we have number seven.
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Join the conversation.
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Today's guest is Sasha Gorokhov, the number one winning mindset expert who has a strong voice in the world-renowned human development research.
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He's a founder of Sasha Leadership, consulting visionary CEOs, and author of a very popular book, From Victim to Victory.
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His leadership embodies the truth that nobody is ever disabled.
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We are all differently abled.
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Very interesting way to put it.
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Born with the most severe form of spina befida and told he would never walk, Sasha turned adversity into mastery.
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And Sasha just doesn't talk about mindset, he embodies it.
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His mission ignite transformation and prove that every human being is divinely equipped to win, regardless of the odds, and he is living proof.
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Today we'll learn how he has overcome adversity and get his very unique perspective on human transformation in an AI world.
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Or is it the other way around?
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Might be the other way around.
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We'll explore that subject.
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Well, with gratitude, welcome to the podcast.
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Thank you for having me.
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I'm very, very grateful to be here with you today and with the audience.
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Absolutely.
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My honor, my pleasure.
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Sasha, tell me or tell us, can you describe the condition that you have?
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Yes.
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So basically, in medical terms, I was born with the worst form of spina bifida, and I've I have an Arnold Curie II syndrome and uh unchanted hydrocephalus.
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In other words, in layman's terms, I was born with a set of conditions that should have left me in the wheelchair mentally challenged by the age of seven.
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Turned 47 recently, and I've done everything the medical community and so many others have said is impossible, and I went much further than that even.
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So when you couldn't walk, is that is that a spinal condition?
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So I should not have been able to walk.
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My legs were moving when I was born, and they said it would was a reflex and it would stop.
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It never stopped, and they still have no explanation of how it is actually possible.
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Okay.
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I'm one out of hundreds and hundreds of millions, so if maybe not a medically unique case.
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Wow.
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How is this caused?
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A set of a variety of factors at birth, um in with the mother and the father.
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Um nowadays um you can mothers can take folic acid uh to try and prevent this condition, but at that time when I was born, they had no idea.
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Yeah.
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And even though and even then they my my parents didn't know they discovered when I was born, so they even they didn't they didn't do anything to check before.
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And I'm really grateful because I mean I turned out the way I turned out, and I'm able to help uh and uplift the world.
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Yes.
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Been successful in every way that I wanted to be successful, and I'm turned it now around into the lessons that I have learned not only in my life, but in business, in politics.
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I was in politics giving disabled people a voice back in Europe and international organizations, and I'm come I'm packaging this up and teach people lessons all the lessons I've I have learned along the way now.
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When did you start to learn how to walk?
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Uh pretty fast, pretty normally.
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Really?
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Actually, but I was always aware of my condition because when I was born, they closed my lower back with skin only, so there's like the nerves were protruding out, and so they pushed it back in when I was born.
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Outside the skin.
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Yeah, outside the skin.
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And uh they closed it just with skin and said, Well, good luck in life.
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Um, and I've been told stories already young that I was crawling to the table, being very, very aware that my bottle was on the table, but I didn't try to climb it.
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I pulled down the tablecloth to and and caught the bottle.
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Working smart and hard.
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So I always had a self- I always had self-awareness, and that accompanied me up to today.
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Amazing.
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And in school, were you ever bullied because of this condition that you had?
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Yes, all the time.
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All the time.
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My my teachers made fun of me.
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They said I'd never do amount to anything.
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They wanted they they wrote me off.
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Um, they tried to put me in some specialized class, and I had to literally fight my way back to being By yourself, or how did that how did that be?
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Because again, a lot of a lot of this podcast, again, is how to overcome adversity, especially for the young adults and adolescents who are bullied.
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So, really by myself mostly.
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My mother had uh severe mental health conditions um and was very unwell, to say the least.
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Um, when I was born, she disappeared to bed for 10 years, with what we now have found out later were imaginary back problems as a narcissist, because the light suddenly the spotlight went from her, the mother of a disabled child, to the disabled child who actually pulled off all of these things he shouldn't have from a young age and continued.
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So she was actually very jealous.
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And my father, he was a good man, but he was a businessman, he could never relate to me in any way.
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For him, I was always a source of worry and never good enough.
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Um, so that was always the stigma on him, and like he never has time.
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So I had to really find resources inside of myself to take what worked around me and other things to make it work for myself.
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How old were you?
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What at what point?
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When you had to come with self-realization that it's it's on you.
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Very young.
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As I said, I was gifted with some degree of self-awareness and that accompanied me to today.
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I was always very self-aware of myself, of my environment, of what needed to happen.
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Do you think all people have that?
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I think all people can develop it.
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Okay, but not all people are necessarily immediately kind of out of the gate born with it.
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Sure.
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Um, but I've also always knew it is that it was possible.
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So I never read the medical community's memo, I never read my uh family's memo about me.
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I decided that this is what I was going to do.
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Right.
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And I did it.
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So at the time, of course, three, four, or five years old, I had no idea what a business is or what I would be to do today, but it would be just the next step and the next step and the next step, and it led me through really life, always having the certainty that it was possible.
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Sometimes ignorance is voice.
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Well, it wasn't ignorance, it was a choice.
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It was a choice not to believe.
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It was never ignorant.
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I always knew the risks.
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That's uh in fact, when I learned to actually to go do sports, because they always said you can't do this because if you fall on your back, you could kill yourself or be in a wheelchair.
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And I decided, you know what, there is a where there's a will, there is a way.
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Sure.
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And so a simple story is when I went skiing in the Swiss Alps, I would sit, I would stand on flag ground, fall left, right, forward, knowing that backwards was a bad idea.
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Uh-huh.
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And when I had the falling down, I learned how to do the actual thing.
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And that's how then I went skateboarding, windsurfing, and do all kinds of other things.
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Windsurfing.
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Windsurfing, yeah.
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I wasn't good at it, but uh I I tried everything.
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What's the lesson here?
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Again, you're just amazing in terms of your experiences and how that molded you, your character, how adversity shapes success.
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But for those that are perhaps struggling with a challenge, whether it's mental, physical, you name it, what would you say to them based on your outlook and and your upbringing?
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The lesson is there's a fine line between victim and victory.
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That's a couple of letters and you choose.
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Okay.
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It is up to you to choose.
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Whether you choose when you're young or whether you choose when you're an adult.
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But I've seen so in my work, also in my leadership work and mindset work, if so many adults have given up their capacity to choose for themselves.
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Yes, obviously, when you're young.
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Is that because of what?
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Because when you're young, parents make choices for you for very good reasons.
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Sure.
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You should probably not decide to go play next to fire or with a stove when you're young.
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Uh, and parents make those decisions.
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Or learn their lesson.
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But people go continue going through life and blaming everybody else for uh what's happening to them instead of saying, hey, exactly.
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And then but it's easier because then you never have to look into the mirror and say, Hey, what about me?
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What if I made mistakes?
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What if I have given up control?
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What if I have given up my capacity?
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It's that self-reflection, it's that self-reflection.
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And some people many people come up to the point where that self-reflection becomes painful at a point because there's so much stuff to unravel and unpack.
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It's but it's never too late.
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And it's a trauma from years or decades.
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But you can overcome everything, you can overcome trauma.
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And so my message is really how are you different though than the rest?
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I mean, that's I think what I want to explore a little bit further.
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And I've always had a can-do um mindset.
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Yeah.
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Uh, did I always know how?
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No.
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Did I knew that it could did I know that it could be done?
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Yes.
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How did you create your blueprint then?
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Um my blueprint in of life or um self-reflection.
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I remember young, very young, I was sitting in my room uh and I was reflecting about why was I so bullied.
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Right.
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And suddenly it came what was wrong.
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First I looked at what was wrong with me, like every child will do, like something must be wrong with me, otherwise they wouldn't do it, right?
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Yeah.
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And then I came to the realization is that no, it's a projection of them.
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It's a different I'm different.
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So they're projecting their the their misunderstandings, their in education, their kids onto me.
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So I'm not even kids, but adults.
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So as I always tell people, I'm I'm as disabled as I am through your eyes.
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Because I don't consider myself disabled.
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But if you choose to project something on me, well, you can do this, but I can take I can decide to not take this on.
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Right.
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And I can decide to not make this my way of life because you have projected something on me or you have decided for me, quote unquote.
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But is there I'm getting I guess I'm just trying to understand.
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If you're different, and you know, that's great.
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I mean, we all that's what makes society and life interesting.
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But why is it that because you are different, you have to be bullied?
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I guess that my understanding is first of all, it's a lot from about children, and children learn want to fit in.
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So they will single out the one who doesn't fit in according to classic classical standards or the standards that have been described.
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Right.
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Also, children learn a lot from their parents.
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Yes.
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Who have learned a lot, maybe not necessarily only from the media, but from their parents, and their parents can go on for generations until it is stopped.
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But for children, it's all about fitting in.
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So it's easier to point the fingers at the other in order to fit in to not be the one who's excluded.
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Is it right?
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No.
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But it's it's from a perspective of children or teenagers.
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So even if those who are bold enough to stand up for those who are bullied, they choose to live with the consequences of standing out from the group.
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For so many, it's easier to try and fit in than to stand out, even if it's not even if it means not doing the right thing.
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What about for adults?
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Same thing.
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Really fitting in?
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Not being singled out and not being excluded from the perception of whatever group you think e that you're part of.
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And so if I'm not quite sure I understand.
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So it's very hard for us as humans to be singled out.
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Remember, I mean, if we go way back when we were cavemen and cavewomen, it was all we survived as a pack.
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Yeah.
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And our brains, they're still wired, in many respects, they're still wired this way.
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So for us to be there many, many, many, many, many decades ago, a long time ago, and more than that, we had it was a real significant danger to our lives to be excluded.
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Because you couldn't survive on your own.
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For our brain, it's still it still signifies danger to stand on your own.
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Okay.
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To be singled out.
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And people will go of all ages will go to great lengths, and children don't understand it, but adults do.
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But they may want to choose to ignore what they know will go to great lengths in order to not be the one who's ostracized and be and be singled out and kicked out of the group.
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And because that is danger.
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Interesting.
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Whereas certainly where certain people are made to be leaders, they don't care.
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They want to be standing on their own, but people who are made to be are more comfortable to be followers, and there's nothing wrong with that, right?
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They stand in a group because they couldn't fathom to stand alone.
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Yet we can teach our brains to say, look, we are no longer during that time.
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We're in the 21st century.
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You're not going to die if you stand alone.
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You can still now you can go to the grocery store.
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I think that's the courage people need to hear.
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You don't need to, we're not in a packed society anymore.
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You don't need to hunt in packs to survive.
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You can go to the next grocery shop and buy food on your own.
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But our brains are still wired and say, no, that's dangerous.
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Don't do that.
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I mean, if you see so many people who are who have for whom it is really uncomfortable to the the idea of being single.
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Because again, it's being alone, and that aloneness immediately unravels a story in your mind.
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And that could be age old since the beg since almost the beginning of us as humans.
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So it is easier to point at others than to actually do the work for yourself, even if you know that what you're doing might is it could be wrong and could be wrong, be wronging somebody else.
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Many people are still willing to do this in order not to be singled out at the standalone.
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Powerful.
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That's indeed very powerful.
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Again, there's self-reflection just exudes out of your heart.
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Thank you.
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But it is a choice, and that's what I also want to really emphasize.
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It is a choice.
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Like I made a choice not to be a victim of my environment or of the condition, but to be victorious.
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Yeah.
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Well, that actually led to my next question.
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That is, you know, you said you weren't angry at your condition, and that's a level of peace that most of us can only dream about.
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And the question was, what helped you flip that switch from frustration to freedom?
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It comes down to choice.
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Yes, because also frustration, there was never any frustration.
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There was trying to understand why I was being made fun of.
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It was very clear for me since the beginning that the medical community projected that on me because they've never seen a case like me.
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And in many ways, even today, when I go to the doctor and I just a new doctor and I show them on paper what I have, they ask me if I have a brother because it's still they don't believe it.
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It's impossible medically still to have that kind of set and to be thriving.
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To have been gone to the best school on the planet and to have done whatever everything that I wanted to the utmost degree.
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Right.
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So it is a mindset, but there was never frustration.
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There was more reflection about understanding why are things the way they are.
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And so I I came to the conclusion that for children they don't have the level of maturity to understand.
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And for adults, I I could scare them because I'm very different to what they're used to.
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Um they could believe the medical community's memo.
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Because they themselves they think, well, these people are better educated, what do I know?
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Right.
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And for others, it is also easier to pick on the one that's different and to project all of your own frustrations on the one who's quote unquote different because then I consider myself different.
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Of course.
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So there was no frustration because what what would what would have frustration done?