Nov. 18, 2025

How Can Technology Help You Turn Challenges Into Strength?

How Can Technology Help You Turn Challenges Into Strength?

A doctor can predict a prognosis, but only you decide your story. Sascha Gorokhoff, born with the most severe form of spina bifida and told he’d never walk, shares how he turned adversity into leadership, resilience, and purpose.

🧠What you will learn:

  • How to reframe bullying and low expectations into actionable growth
  • Practical tactics for parents guiding children through challenges
  • Ways to use AI to amplify skills, creativity, and productivity without losing yourself

🔑 Key takeaways:

  • Identity grows where attention goes, anchored by gratitude
  • Adversity is raw material for problem-solving and momentum
  • Technology should extend your values, not replace them

Listen now to Sascha Gorokhoff's inspiring story and practical guidance. Watch on YouTube or subscribe to Yog Nation’s Spirit of Gratitude podcast for more conversations that transform limits into opportunity.

00:00 - Welcome And Guest Introduction

00:37 - Sasha’s Diagnosis And Early Prognosis

03:31 - Self‑Awareness And Early Problem Solving

04:11 - Bullying, Family Strain, And Self‑Reliance

08:17 - Choosing Victory Over Victimhood

11:20 - Why Groups Bully And Fear Standing Out

15:56 - Anger Versus Acceptance And Agency

19:36 - Surviving Narcissistic Abuse And Holding Standards

24:25 - Gratitude, Comparison Traps, And Resilience

27:16 - Mind Over Matter And Emotional Energy

29:29 - AI As Amplifier Not Replacement

33:14 - Skills, Identity, And Learning With AI

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Welcome to the Illuminati Matitude and Hamas.

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I'm the one in the mission on the form.

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My name is the famous.

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I'm full of some formus.

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I'm full of some handle famous.

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Join me every week as I am.

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As we fuller, humble adversity lifts us.

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And we can humble uncomfortable interest and we have number seven.

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Join the conversation.

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I appreciate you listening in.

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Today's guest is Sasha Gorokhov, the number one winning mindset expert who has a strong voice in the world-renowned human development research.

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He's a founder of Sasha Leadership, consulting visionary CEOs, and author of a very popular book, From Victim to Victory.

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His leadership embodies the truth that nobody is ever disabled.

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We are all differently abled.

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Very interesting way to put it.

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Born with the most severe form of spina befida and told he would never walk, Sasha turned adversity into mastery.

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And Sasha just doesn't talk about mindset, he embodies it.

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His mission ignite transformation and prove that every human being is divinely equipped to win, regardless of the odds, and he is living proof.

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Today we'll learn how he has overcome adversity and get his very unique perspective on human transformation in an AI world.

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Or is it the other way around?

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Might be the other way around.

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We'll explore that subject.

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Well, with gratitude, welcome to the podcast.

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Thank you for having me.

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I'm very, very grateful to be here with you today and with the audience.

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Absolutely.

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My honor, my pleasure.

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Sasha, tell me or tell us, can you describe the condition that you have?

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Yes.

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So basically, in medical terms, I was born with the worst form of spina bifida, and I've I have an Arnold Curie II syndrome and uh unchanted hydrocephalus.

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In other words, in layman's terms, I was born with a set of conditions that should have left me in the wheelchair mentally challenged by the age of seven.

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Turned 47 recently, and I've done everything the medical community and so many others have said is impossible, and I went much further than that even.

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So when you couldn't walk, is that is that a spinal condition?

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So I should not have been able to walk.

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My legs were moving when I was born, and they said it would was a reflex and it would stop.

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It never stopped, and they still have no explanation of how it is actually possible.

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Okay.

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I'm one out of hundreds and hundreds of millions, so if maybe not a medically unique case.

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Wow.

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How is this caused?

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A set of a variety of factors at birth, um in with the mother and the father.

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Um nowadays um you can mothers can take folic acid uh to try and prevent this condition, but at that time when I was born, they had no idea.

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Yeah.

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And even though and even then they my my parents didn't know they discovered when I was born, so they even they didn't they didn't do anything to check before.

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And I'm really grateful because I mean I turned out the way I turned out, and I'm able to help uh and uplift the world.

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Yes.

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Been successful in every way that I wanted to be successful, and I'm turned it now around into the lessons that I have learned not only in my life, but in business, in politics.

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I was in politics giving disabled people a voice back in Europe and international organizations, and I'm come I'm packaging this up and teach people lessons all the lessons I've I have learned along the way now.

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When did you start to learn how to walk?

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Uh pretty fast, pretty normally.

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Really?

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Actually, but I was always aware of my condition because when I was born, they closed my lower back with skin only, so there's like the nerves were protruding out, and so they pushed it back in when I was born.

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Outside the skin.

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Yeah, outside the skin.

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And uh they closed it just with skin and said, Well, good luck in life.

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Um, and I've been told stories already young that I was crawling to the table, being very, very aware that my bottle was on the table, but I didn't try to climb it.

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I pulled down the tablecloth to and and caught the bottle.

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Working smart and hard.

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So I always had a self- I always had self-awareness, and that accompanied me up to today.

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Amazing.

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And in school, were you ever bullied because of this condition that you had?

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Yes, all the time.

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All the time.

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My my teachers made fun of me.

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They said I'd never do amount to anything.

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They wanted they they wrote me off.

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Um, they tried to put me in some specialized class, and I had to literally fight my way back to being By yourself, or how did that how did that be?

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Because again, a lot of a lot of this podcast, again, is how to overcome adversity, especially for the young adults and adolescents who are bullied.

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So, really by myself mostly.

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My mother had uh severe mental health conditions um and was very unwell, to say the least.

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Um, when I was born, she disappeared to bed for 10 years, with what we now have found out later were imaginary back problems as a narcissist, because the light suddenly the spotlight went from her, the mother of a disabled child, to the disabled child who actually pulled off all of these things he shouldn't have from a young age and continued.

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So she was actually very jealous.

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And my father, he was a good man, but he was a businessman, he could never relate to me in any way.

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For him, I was always a source of worry and never good enough.

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Um, so that was always the stigma on him, and like he never has time.

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So I had to really find resources inside of myself to take what worked around me and other things to make it work for myself.

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How old were you?

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What at what point?

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When you had to come with self-realization that it's it's on you.

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Very young.

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As I said, I was gifted with some degree of self-awareness and that accompanied me to today.

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I was always very self-aware of myself, of my environment, of what needed to happen.

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Do you think all people have that?

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I think all people can develop it.

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Okay, but not all people are necessarily immediately kind of out of the gate born with it.

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Sure.

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Um, but I've also always knew it is that it was possible.

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So I never read the medical community's memo, I never read my uh family's memo about me.

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I decided that this is what I was going to do.

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Right.

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And I did it.

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So at the time, of course, three, four, or five years old, I had no idea what a business is or what I would be to do today, but it would be just the next step and the next step and the next step, and it led me through really life, always having the certainty that it was possible.

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Sometimes ignorance is voice.

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Well, it wasn't ignorance, it was a choice.

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It was a choice not to believe.

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It was never ignorant.

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I always knew the risks.

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That's uh in fact, when I learned to actually to go do sports, because they always said you can't do this because if you fall on your back, you could kill yourself or be in a wheelchair.

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And I decided, you know what, there is a where there's a will, there is a way.

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Sure.

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And so a simple story is when I went skiing in the Swiss Alps, I would sit, I would stand on flag ground, fall left, right, forward, knowing that backwards was a bad idea.

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Uh-huh.

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And when I had the falling down, I learned how to do the actual thing.

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And that's how then I went skateboarding, windsurfing, and do all kinds of other things.

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Windsurfing.

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Windsurfing, yeah.

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I wasn't good at it, but uh I I tried everything.

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What's the lesson here?

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Again, you're just amazing in terms of your experiences and how that molded you, your character, how adversity shapes success.

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But for those that are perhaps struggling with a challenge, whether it's mental, physical, you name it, what would you say to them based on your outlook and and your upbringing?

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The lesson is there's a fine line between victim and victory.

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That's a couple of letters and you choose.

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Okay.

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It is up to you to choose.

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Whether you choose when you're young or whether you choose when you're an adult.

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But I've seen so in my work, also in my leadership work and mindset work, if so many adults have given up their capacity to choose for themselves.

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Yes, obviously, when you're young.

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Is that because of what?

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Because when you're young, parents make choices for you for very good reasons.

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Sure.

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You should probably not decide to go play next to fire or with a stove when you're young.

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Uh, and parents make those decisions.

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Or learn their lesson.

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But people go continue going through life and blaming everybody else for uh what's happening to them instead of saying, hey, exactly.

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And then but it's easier because then you never have to look into the mirror and say, Hey, what about me?

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What if I made mistakes?

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What if I have given up control?

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What if I have given up my capacity?

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It's that self-reflection, it's that self-reflection.

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And some people many people come up to the point where that self-reflection becomes painful at a point because there's so much stuff to unravel and unpack.

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It's but it's never too late.

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And it's a trauma from years or decades.

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But you can overcome everything, you can overcome trauma.

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And so my message is really how are you different though than the rest?

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I mean, that's I think what I want to explore a little bit further.

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And I've always had a can-do um mindset.

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Yeah.

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Uh, did I always know how?

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No.

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Did I knew that it could did I know that it could be done?

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Yes.

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How did you create your blueprint then?

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Um my blueprint in of life or um self-reflection.

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I remember young, very young, I was sitting in my room uh and I was reflecting about why was I so bullied.

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Right.

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And suddenly it came what was wrong.

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First I looked at what was wrong with me, like every child will do, like something must be wrong with me, otherwise they wouldn't do it, right?

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Yeah.

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And then I came to the realization is that no, it's a projection of them.

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It's a different I'm different.

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So they're projecting their the their misunderstandings, their in education, their kids onto me.

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So I'm not even kids, but adults.

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So as I always tell people, I'm I'm as disabled as I am through your eyes.

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Because I don't consider myself disabled.

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But if you choose to project something on me, well, you can do this, but I can take I can decide to not take this on.

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Right.

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And I can decide to not make this my way of life because you have projected something on me or you have decided for me, quote unquote.

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But is there I'm getting I guess I'm just trying to understand.

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If you're different, and you know, that's great.

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I mean, we all that's what makes society and life interesting.

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But why is it that because you are different, you have to be bullied?

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I guess that my understanding is first of all, it's a lot from about children, and children learn want to fit in.

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So they will single out the one who doesn't fit in according to classic classical standards or the standards that have been described.

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Right.

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Also, children learn a lot from their parents.

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Yes.

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Who have learned a lot, maybe not necessarily only from the media, but from their parents, and their parents can go on for generations until it is stopped.

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But for children, it's all about fitting in.

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So it's easier to point the fingers at the other in order to fit in to not be the one who's excluded.

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Is it right?

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No.

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But it's it's from a perspective of children or teenagers.

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So even if those who are bold enough to stand up for those who are bullied, they choose to live with the consequences of standing out from the group.

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For so many, it's easier to try and fit in than to stand out, even if it's not even if it means not doing the right thing.

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What about for adults?

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Same thing.

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Really fitting in?

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Not being singled out and not being excluded from the perception of whatever group you think e that you're part of.

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And so if I'm not quite sure I understand.

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So it's very hard for us as humans to be singled out.

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Remember, I mean, if we go way back when we were cavemen and cavewomen, it was all we survived as a pack.

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Yeah.

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And our brains, they're still wired, in many respects, they're still wired this way.

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So for us to be there many, many, many, many, many decades ago, a long time ago, and more than that, we had it was a real significant danger to our lives to be excluded.

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Because you couldn't survive on your own.

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For our brain, it's still it still signifies danger to stand on your own.

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Okay.

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To be singled out.

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And people will go of all ages will go to great lengths, and children don't understand it, but adults do.

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But they may want to choose to ignore what they know will go to great lengths in order to not be the one who's ostracized and be and be singled out and kicked out of the group.

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And because that is danger.

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Interesting.

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Whereas certainly where certain people are made to be leaders, they don't care.

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They want to be standing on their own, but people who are made to be are more comfortable to be followers, and there's nothing wrong with that, right?

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They stand in a group because they couldn't fathom to stand alone.

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Yet we can teach our brains to say, look, we are no longer during that time.

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We're in the 21st century.

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You're not going to die if you stand alone.

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You can still now you can go to the grocery store.

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I think that's the courage people need to hear.

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You don't need to, we're not in a packed society anymore.

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You don't need to hunt in packs to survive.

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You can go to the next grocery shop and buy food on your own.

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But our brains are still wired and say, no, that's dangerous.

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Don't do that.

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I mean, if you see so many people who are who have for whom it is really uncomfortable to the the idea of being single.

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Because again, it's being alone, and that aloneness immediately unravels a story in your mind.

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And that could be age old since the beg since almost the beginning of us as humans.

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So it is easier to point at others than to actually do the work for yourself, even if you know that what you're doing might is it could be wrong and could be wrong, be wronging somebody else.

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Many people are still willing to do this in order not to be singled out at the standalone.

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Powerful.

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That's indeed very powerful.

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Again, there's self-reflection just exudes out of your heart.

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Thank you.

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But it is a choice, and that's what I also want to really emphasize.

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It is a choice.

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Like I made a choice not to be a victim of my environment or of the condition, but to be victorious.

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Yeah.

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Well, that actually led to my next question.

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That is, you know, you said you weren't angry at your condition, and that's a level of peace that most of us can only dream about.

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And the question was, what helped you flip that switch from frustration to freedom?

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It comes down to choice.

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Yes, because also frustration, there was never any frustration.

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There was trying to understand why I was being made fun of.

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It was very clear for me since the beginning that the medical community projected that on me because they've never seen a case like me.

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And in many ways, even today, when I go to the doctor and I just a new doctor and I show them on paper what I have, they ask me if I have a brother because it's still they don't believe it.

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It's impossible medically still to have that kind of set and to be thriving.

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To have been gone to the best school on the planet and to have done whatever everything that I wanted to the utmost degree.

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Right.

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So it is a mindset, but there was never frustration.

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There was more reflection about understanding why are things the way they are.

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And so I I came to the conclusion that for children they don't have the level of maturity to understand.

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And for adults, I I could scare them because I'm very different to what they're used to.

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Um they could believe the medical community's memo.

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Because they themselves they think, well, these people are better educated, what do I know?

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Right.

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And for others, it is also easier to pick on the one that's different and to project all of your own frustrations on the one who's quote unquote different because then I consider myself different.

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Of course.

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So there was no frustration because what what would what would have frustration done?

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Frustration would have changed nothing.

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It doesn't change my condition if I'm angry against it.

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It doesn't change anything.

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It is with me, at least in this life.

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Um, and it will be with me.

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So getting angry about it and being frustrated about it doesn't change anything, it's a waste of time.

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So my reflection was always, okay, what what what what is the best that I can do with what I have?

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I have that, established fact, can change it.

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Yes.

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So let's take it and let's not cry about it.

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But let's go to the highest level.

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What can I do to turn all of this into something good?

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What would the five-year-old Sasha say to you?

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Probably that he's very probably that he's proud of me.

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Yeah.

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Because he would have said, I have no idea how you made it through all of this.

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Because once my father died when I was 16 of a heart attack, um, I was alone with my mother.

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And it was terror, psychoterror.

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So when the cell phones came along, I got hundreds of messages per day from her.

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Yeah, it would always change.

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It would be the best son on the planet.

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No, I hate you.

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No, I hate you.

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Uh no, you're the best.

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No, and then many words I don't want to pronounce here.

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Um, I'd prefer you'd you wouldn't be alive.

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No, you're the best that could happen to me, to threatening me over life to kill herself hundreds of times.

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Because uh in Europe, um it's different in the American system, but to quickly explain the European system.

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I was my mother had taken out a health insurance for an unborn child.

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So when I was born, the insurance couldn't kick me out and had to cover everything that I could have on paper.

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And on paper, that's very, very, very long.

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In fact, not so much, but on paper there could be a lot.

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So the insurance was stuck with me, but in Europe, no other health insurance would cover me for what I have.

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Yeah.

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And so her threat always was listen, uh, you do something, you do anything against me, you say anything against me, you say how I really am.

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I'm going to cancel your health insurance and or kill myself.

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And I grew up with this.

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And constantly changing person every single day.

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Oh my goodness.

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So you learn this over time, how to deal with it.

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And uh this isn't fiction.

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This is that is real life.

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Real life.

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It was real life plus my conditions, plus the bullying.

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Yeah.

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Um look at you now.

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And she did it up saying doing what she said she would do, but uh many, many years later when I was 34, because she had made up some crazy story in her mind, and that was some form of punishment against me that I'm not taking as punishment because it was completely ludicrous the story that she had made up in her mind.

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Uh, but again, it's all a matter of mindset, and it's a matter of can do attitude and how.

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The question is not I can't, the question is how can you?

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How can I?

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Did you have to demand excellence of yourself to a degree that perhaps another individual wouldn't have demanded excellence?

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Yes, I always have done that because I've known that if you look in terms of where I started, I started way behind where I should have been in the middle somewhere.

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Yeah.

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And I knew that I had to make all of this up and then some.

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Yeah.

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So I had to always hold myself to a certain degree of accountability, standards, but also without actually when I wouldn't reach my expectations, it was hard, but it wasn't the end of the world.

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Okay.

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Um, because I also know life happens, and sometimes you're being redirected, and sometimes happen things happen for your greatest good, even if you don't appreciate them in the moment.

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I was just thinking that you had to probably escape a more heavier gravitational pull black hole than perhaps others.

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I think everything I know that there are many people going through far worse than what I went through.

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Yeah.

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And I know also there are many people luckily have it way better than I do.

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But again, it's about not comparing.

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It is your story.

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Because again, if you start complaining, uh if you start comparing, you're going to start uh compla mostly starting to complain.

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Because again, that's our brain.

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Yes.

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You're going to complain about how you don't have it as good as all the others, instead of being grateful about how you have it better than many, many, many, many other people.

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And then when I was young, again self-aware, I was always aware that there were a lot more people behind me in terms of the poor population than in front of me.

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And I always had a sense of gratitude for that.

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And a sense of that word, and a sense of not complaining about things.

00:20:05.279 --> 00:20:05.519
Yeah.

00:20:05.680 --> 00:20:13.359
Um if I complained a little bit, but then getting it together and okay, becoming pragmatic again and say, What are we gonna do about this?

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That's always a question I ask.

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Great.

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Let's give her a moment to complain, give ourselves some time to complain, give ourselves some time to cry about things, but then what are you going to do about it?

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Because failure isn't sitting down, failure isn't falling, failure isn't lying down, failure isn't crying, failure isn't complaining, failure is about staying down.

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What are you going to do to get back up?

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I think a lot of kids, especially in the spectrum of I would say that no fault of their own, have these conditions like autism and cancer.

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I mean, I think what you just your messaging speaks to the child and to the parent who perhaps don't maybe think that there's a way out.

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There's always a way out.

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There's always a way out.

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And I ask parents of children who are different, who are going for something, do not speak limitation upon them.

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It's not because you see limitations, or the doctors told you there is limitation there are going to be limitations that there necessarily will be.

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Speak, speak power over them, speak empowerment over them, speak victory over them, speak all the good things over them, because our mind, it is really mind over matter.

00:21:20.319 --> 00:21:25.200
And I've studied this then accord in my life, quantum physics and many, many, many other areas.

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I mean, I read hundreds of books in my life to understand my condition, but also how the uh the nature of the of the world and of reality.

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And our minds are really, really that powerful, and our emotions are really that powerful.

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We are what controls what?

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The mind controls the heart, or the heart controls the mind.

00:21:42.480 --> 00:21:55.759
Well, scientifically, uh, the Heart Math Institute has found out that uh and others as well have found out that our the the our heart centers are 5,000 times stronger magnetically than our brains.

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So it's really our emotions that control everything.

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And also, if you then believe in the law of attraction, call it what you want, but it's actually uh science based rooted in quantum physics.

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Yes.

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And without having to read quantum physics books, save you that, but it's rooted in quantum physics and on science.

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It it is actually pulling likeness onto us.

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So if you have up if you're positive and you're grateful and you have a positive outlook, you get more of that stuff.

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And if the opposite is also true, you'll get more of that stuff.

00:22:27.359 --> 00:22:29.759
So you have a lot to help yourself, really.

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To and again, nobody asks you, there's this thought that you always have to be positive.

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No, that's impossible as a human.

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You're not a robot.

00:22:38.400 --> 00:22:48.880
But give yourself some time to, as I said, complain, cry, rant if you have to, but like define it in time, right, and then try and get get out of it.

00:22:49.279 --> 00:23:04.559
Well, I think a lot of complaining and ranting today in 2025 has to do with AI, artificial intelligence, and how that is perhaps taking fear amongst employers, especially, that AI is replacing jobs.

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I think AI, well, I have a little bit of a different point of view there.

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Okay.

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AI cannot replace you.

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You're you you are you.

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AI will always be, even if it becomes very intelligent, a machine, but nobody can replace you.

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It will never be you.

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It will never be like somebody else.

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So I see AI as a brilliant tool of as amplification.

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As it can never replace you, but you can use it.

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You can use it to amplify you.

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Because you're not your job.

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You are you.

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A job is an activity that you're doing.

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A job provides security for your family and the things that you wish in life.

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Is that the only way to provide security for your family a job?

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Or is it just a nine-to-five?

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And if you think about larger, there are many things you can do in entrepreneurship, creation, creativity, where AI can help you to amplify yourself because there's only going to be you who's going to have that specific set of ideas in that specific way.

00:24:03.599 --> 00:24:16.400
And I believe AI these days can, if you learn agentic AI, there are cheap courses out there to learn this, you can actually build very large businesses solely by yourself in your bedroom with AI.

00:24:16.559 --> 00:24:20.640
And so to think Many people are not entrepreneurial, they're followers, as you mentioned earlier.

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Still, but they still have skills.

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Sure.

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And they're still unique.

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And if they can find out who they really are, not what the system tells them they're doing as are, not what a job tells them they're put in this box instead of another box.

00:24:34.480 --> 00:24:39.279
But if they find out who they really are, they can still use it to amplify themselves.

00:24:39.680 --> 00:24:46.400
And then they have to come to a point where they have to surround themselves with the right people who don't necessarily have the skills that they have.

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Even even the leaders.

00:24:49.039 --> 00:24:51.759
They have to surround themselves with people who have the skills that they don't have.

00:24:52.079 --> 00:24:55.200
Taking a step back, you mentioned AI helps amplify you.

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Amplify you.

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I already know myself.

00:24:57.839 --> 00:25:03.039
So what can AI, what value add is A bringing that I already know about myself?

00:25:03.359 --> 00:25:05.440
AI can help you amplify your voice.

00:25:05.680 --> 00:25:13.359
It can amplify your voice, it can act for you as they uh you can ask it to ask to ask, uh, ask it to act as an expert in marketing.

00:25:13.599 --> 00:25:16.799
Well, I get pissed off at Chat GBT when I don't get the right answers I'm looking for.

00:25:17.200 --> 00:25:37.359
Well, then you have to do more self-reflection, more meditation, and work on yourself so that you can actually not waste your time getting upset with a machine that has that just reflecting things back to you and learn better prompting, but also learn better emotional control so that you can actually learn to use this tool.

00:25:37.599 --> 00:25:38.640
But I think the right thing is.

00:25:39.359 --> 00:25:40.240
Yeah, and I don't know.

00:25:40.319 --> 00:25:50.160
I somewhat tend to disagree, maybe not disagree, but when we had our pre pre-planning call, it's the evolutions of you know, the horse carriage to the cars.

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And, you know, there's that revolution.

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AI is one of them right now that we're experiencing, but the previous revolutions, revolutions, in my opinion, didn't replace jobs.

00:26:01.200 --> 00:26:02.880
They didn't replace that security.

00:26:03.359 --> 00:26:05.119
New jobs will be created.

00:26:05.440 --> 00:26:14.480
As you know, I mean, when we went from carriages to cars or from typewriters to computers, old jobs were replaced by new jobs.

00:26:14.640 --> 00:26:16.640
So that's also your empowerment.

00:26:16.799 --> 00:26:28.640
You can have a victim uh mentality and say, I I really, I really profoundly, to not use other words, to profoundly dislike these cars, they're still going to come.

00:26:29.039 --> 00:26:31.039
Or you can say, How can I use my skills?

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How can I even use AI to amplify my skills or to train myself in a different way so that I now am fit for this new uh era of time that were cars at a certain time or computer chips and computers at a new other time, or the internet in the early 2000s.

00:26:48.720 --> 00:26:49.119
Right.

00:26:49.359 --> 00:26:55.279
Or you can say this is the most horrible thing on the planet and keep on complaining, but that's the sure way to be left behind.

00:26:55.759 --> 00:26:59.039
I mean, it looks like this is universal in terms of what they have to teach in schools.

00:26:59.200 --> 00:27:12.799
Absolutely because then it becomes a socioeconomic economic thing where I have a computer, I have AI, I can do well, but the person that perhaps is has limited means, right, to have these resources available to them to help them.

00:27:13.039 --> 00:27:14.240
Do you see what I'm trying to say?

00:27:14.559 --> 00:27:16.559
Yes, but there is something very simple.

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What's that?

00:27:17.599 --> 00:27:19.839
Ask AI to teach you anything you want, and it will.

00:27:20.160 --> 00:27:22.079
And that can be done at the local library, that's free.

00:27:22.319 --> 00:27:25.599
That can be done in the local library, that can be done on your cell phone.

00:27:25.920 --> 00:27:34.160
Because AI will say, uh ask AI whether it's GPT or Claude, um, whatever you prefer, whichever uses more scientific means.

00:27:34.240 --> 00:27:38.079
Maybe I pre I like for the scientific side, I like Claude a little bit better.

00:27:38.319 --> 00:27:42.400
For the conversational side, I prefer GPT, but it's solely personal.

00:27:42.640 --> 00:27:43.039
Yeah.

00:27:43.279 --> 00:27:45.599
But so many people say, I don't know.

00:27:46.640 --> 00:27:49.359
Well, ask AI and it will happily teach you.

00:27:49.599 --> 00:27:51.759
And that's again, it's yeah, it's the fear, right?

00:27:52.160 --> 00:28:07.039
It's the fear, and the fear actually prevents you, it stucks you in time and it prevents you, it freezes you, and it prevents you from actually making the right choices because you freeze your mind, you freeze your brain, and your brain doesn't do anything because again, it's frozen.

00:28:07.119 --> 00:28:11.839
So if you go back to cave women in the world, I thought that's what scrolling on social media does late night.

00:28:12.240 --> 00:28:16.799
It that's it, it's but that's hypnotizing, and that will actually shorten your attention span.

00:28:17.039 --> 00:28:17.359
Sure.

00:28:17.599 --> 00:28:23.440
Because now uh these videos are a couple seconds long, and then you get bored and you want to move on to something l else.

00:28:23.680 --> 00:28:23.839
Yep.

00:28:24.000 --> 00:28:31.759
Now think about reading a 500-page book or reading uh a 500-page equivalent AI course teaching you about something.

00:28:32.000 --> 00:28:37.519
Because if you ask AI to uh act as a marketing expert and to teach you about marketing, it will.

00:28:37.680 --> 00:28:39.920
It can also replace these skills for you.

00:28:40.079 --> 00:28:41.680
But it's really that's where I go back.

00:28:41.839 --> 00:28:55.599
It's a tool and it can empower you if you don't act like a victim and don't let it overrun you, but also never don't also stop complaining about it because it will happen either way.

00:28:56.079 --> 00:28:58.160
It will happen either way, you can't stop it.

00:28:58.319 --> 00:28:58.640
Right.

00:28:58.799 --> 00:29:00.480
Evolution will happen.

00:29:00.720 --> 00:29:08.640
And I mean, now we see the evolution of technology faster and faster and faster because I remember having had my first cell phone like a brick when I was 19.

00:29:08.720 --> 00:29:09.119
Oh yeah.

00:29:09.359 --> 00:29:11.759
And that was and that was not so long ago.

00:29:12.160 --> 00:29:13.440
So that was 30 years ago.

00:29:13.599 --> 00:29:19.680
So I suppose that if we're to live long enough, we'll see the next evolution of AI or technology, what will come afterwards.

00:29:19.759 --> 00:29:20.960
Maybe it's robots.

00:29:21.359 --> 00:29:23.759
But again, these will act as helpers.

00:29:24.720 --> 00:29:35.920
So you can actually use your skills, amplify your skills, and then learn something that makes you fit to be in the new, either be an entrepreneur, an artist, or whatever you always wanted to be.

00:29:36.079 --> 00:29:36.400
Right.

00:29:36.880 --> 00:29:45.759
Or if you still want to be an employer, employee, which isn't there's nothing wrong with that, um, retrain yourself to fit into the new world that you can't stop, anyways.

00:29:46.240 --> 00:29:48.000
I guess the point is having an open mind.

00:29:48.319 --> 00:29:49.200
Having an open mind.

00:29:49.519 --> 00:29:53.519
And knowing that no complain no complaining in the world will change anything.

00:29:54.240 --> 00:29:56.400
It's actually being proactive that will change something.

00:29:57.680 --> 00:29:59.440
Because it won't stop life from happening.

00:30:00.160 --> 00:30:02.559
Won't stop time times from changing.

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It won't stop technology from evolving.

00:30:05.119 --> 00:30:06.000
That's us.

00:30:08.000 --> 00:30:14.319
When we've completely developed AI, some brilliant minds will see what is next, what comes after that.

00:30:14.480 --> 00:30:14.720
Right.

00:30:14.880 --> 00:30:17.279
We will never stop, because this is how we're wired.

00:30:17.359 --> 00:30:20.000
We're always wired to more, further, better.

00:30:20.640 --> 00:30:27.599
So but we can learn to go with the time instead of declaring this is the worst thing ever, maybe this is the best thing ever.

00:30:27.920 --> 00:30:31.440
If you turn it around and say, how can this serve me?

00:30:31.599 --> 00:30:34.000
instead of it controlling you.

00:30:34.799 --> 00:30:42.960
Yeah, it's that unstoppable inner spirit that you have, that transformative spirit as you consult and coach uh CEOs on.

00:30:43.279 --> 00:30:43.599
Absolutely.

00:30:43.680 --> 00:30:44.480
And every human being.

00:30:44.720 --> 00:30:45.920
What do they say out of curiosity?

00:30:46.000 --> 00:30:56.000
I mean, you don't have to give names, but when they see you, when they talk to you, what is some of the things that they share after they've listened to?

00:30:56.400 --> 00:31:06.079
Well, I I work with them, I work with entrepreneurs, I also work with everyday people, but those who really, really want to work with people in the sports world as well.

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But the overwhelming message after you're so inspiring is I never knew that I could actually shift my thinking in a way that it would take care of many, many of the problems that I thought I had.

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Right.

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And now I actually realize that I don't have.

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So I just uh, for instance, one story uh in a month I shifted somebody from saying everything is bad, uh it's that that's tough, that's bad, um, to shifting saying that's great, that's good.

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And I just got a feedback saying my life's gonna become so much better in a month.

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It shifted the entire outlook.

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Yeah, does it take everything away that's bad?

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No, but it's your capacity to act towards it.

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You have two you have two choices, react or act.

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Right.

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You can react again, let's go back to AI, you can react to it, or you can say, This is what it is, yeah, like I did with my condition.

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Not I'm not changing it, it's not going to go away.

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What am I going to do to take this and move into the new world and move into the next phase of my life and into the next phase of my creation?

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Hey, maybe I'm actually a really good artist, and I just never knew how to go about it because I'm not bad at sales, I'm bad at marketing, I'm bad at all things.

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But now I can ask AI to act as a sales agent, to act as marketing, to act as whatever.

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And then I just follow the prompt and then I take these steps and these actions.

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So it really acts as some sort of a feedback for you.

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What about and final question?

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And this has been amazing, uh, citizens.

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Um the ability for AI to be creative as opposed to just gathering the wealth of knowledge and information in the known internet work universe.

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How could AI help you become more creative to help you explore your potential that you may not have known?

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A very simple answer is put exactly what you just said into the AI.

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Help me with this.

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Because again, it's an amplifier, it's a tool.

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It's not doing anything for you unless you ask it.

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I have to do that.

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So it's exactly as that.

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Don't overcomplicate the things, just ask AI.

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And if you don't want uh the companies to train uh on your whatever you you you share with the AI, you just go into settings, and many of those you can disable the uh somewhere to toggle and say, I don't want this to be used as training for training purposes for the actual model.

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Oh, I see.

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Okay.

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So if you're concerned about privacy or the things, you can just turn it off because I mean there's I'm sure they have enough data to train their models on that, they don't need your particular chat, but ask this how, and it will give you some ideas.

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And what I always like to do with AI is ask it to go deeper.

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That might be my academic mind after having got my two bachelors and my and my master's degree, and having gone to the best business school on the planet twice.

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It's like I'm very I like to ask questions, so I always ask it go deeper, yeah, and tell me more.

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I think that's a great way to end a segment just because go deeper is more reflection, more inner spirit, and that leads to gratitude.

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Correct.

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And the tell me more is the open mind, and that's how I've always lived my my life the going deeper in the understanding and telling, tell more, tell me more about the world.

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It's because I mean we don't know everything, we will never know everything, even if you have a gazillion papers, yeah, you will never know of the highest profile schools.

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They're great, but you will never know everything.

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So the tell me more is an open mindset, and as you said, go deeper is the self-reflective and about you.

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And I think these two are essential to thrive in any world, whether it was back when horse carriages went away to cars, or whether it's in this new area now going into AI, self-reflection and open mind and the growth mindset.

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It's that consistency.

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Sasha, thank you so much.

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I mean, for the citizens, this has been amazing.

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Just uh really liked what Sasha had mentioned about the heart leading the mind and what that does.

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And certainly not to be fearful of AI, which Sasha eloquently states.

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And so um, if you've uh liked this episode, if you like the real, love to hear from you, see what resonated with you.

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More importantly, though, if there is a person that perhaps is going through a health, an emotional, or mental struggle, Sasha's living proof, citizens, that it can be done.

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Sasha, thank you for your time.

00:35:43.280 --> 00:35:43.840
Thank you very much.

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Thank you very, very much, audience.