How Can You Turn Trauma Into Purpose and Manifest a Life You Love?

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I appreciate you listening in.

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Holidays have a funny way of reminding us what really matters.

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The people who fill our lives with gratitude, lift us up on those tough days, and remind us we're not walking this road alone on this journey called life.

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My next guest is one of those rare souls, someone who embodies everything this podcast stands for.

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Gemma Serenity Gorakov is a beacon for anyone who's ever lived through darkness.

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As the host of two very powerful podcasts, including Real Talk Real Women, which has reached over 2.6 million downloads.

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Pretty remarkable.

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She brings light to the hard conversations around domestic abuse, a journey she unfortunately knows all too well.

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Gemma has survived two abusive marriages, moments of unthinkable trauma, and had contemplated suicide.

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And yet here she is, standing tall, looking radiant, speaking truth, and turning pain into purpose.

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Today she shares how she's moved from victim to victory.

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Wonder Warrior got that phrase from before.

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And how she teaches others to manifest love, wealth, health, and purpose through her new book, Practical Overview of the Twelve Universal Laws as Taught by Your Cat, co-authored by her husband Sasha.

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A cat, really.

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With gratitude, welcome to the podcast, thank you so, so much.

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It's such an honor to be here and let's spur together, right?

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Like a cat.

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Uh, okay.

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Well, if a dog is a man's best friend, how would you describe a cat?

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I would say, first of all, that yes, indeed, a dog is a man's best friend, and often humans do not deserve the love of a dog.

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I've give you that 100%.

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Okay.

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Now a cat is your silent lover and healer at home.

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He's the one who will cuddle around you and remind you to calm down and to ground.

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The cat is the one who will love you in a way that only cats can love.

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He's not going to just like jump on you so joyous and dancing because you come back home.

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He's going to say, hmm, where were you?

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I missed you.

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Okay.

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And you know what?

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You were out too long.

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Oh, sorry about that.

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Okay.

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And then, all right, I love you anyway.

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And then coming on your lap, cuddling, and reminding you to ground yourself, to be grateful, and to just be alive and well.

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That's how I would describe a cat compared to a dog.

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I had a different complete opinion on cats, where I think they're lazy animals and they they like to take more, or it's how would they best describe it?

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They are selfish where they receive, but they don't give.

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That was my that's been but granted, I am allergic to cats.

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So I don't have a lot of experience.

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So what I would tell to that is that it's not because a few cats you have known are the way you describe them, that all cats are that way.

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Okay.

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Yeah.

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That's how I'm going to tell that.

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That's fine.

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Shame on the case.

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Some cats are lazy and do not want to connect and are just like on their own.

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That's totally fine.

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Not all cats are that way.

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Okay.

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But it's interesting, you mentioned they have this inner that energy that they project.

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Oh my gosh.

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So when you actually take the good side of the cats, as a feline, as they as a species, they have that inner power to manifest amazing things, such as the right home for them, the right environment, safety, goodness, love, cuddle, food.

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It happens anyway, with different personalities.

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If you know several cats, you will see several personalities showing up, but they all achieve their goal.

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Yeah.

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It's amazing.

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How do they do that?

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Well, they manifest, and by observing them, this is how Sasha and I came back with that book, How to Manifest Like a Cat.

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And it's right here.

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Pretty amazing book.

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Well, it's well written, and we'll get to that momentarily.

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But before we get to the book, I wanted to understand again for those individuals that are going through a tough time in their lives.

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Yeah.

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Obviously, you had your journey to get here was just nothing but short of remarkable.

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Um, in your darkest times, how did you heal and how did you turn your life around?

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I cannot say it's because of a cat.

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No.

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No.

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I can say one thing.

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I got inspired by someone's journey, which I thought was harder than mine.

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Harder than yours?

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Yeah.

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Okay.

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In my perception, that that person's journey was much harder.

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And it was a whoa.

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And you got up from that.

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I can get up from domestic violence.

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Let's do it.

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Right.

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So that was the beginning.

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It still took another, it it still took another year to actually break free.

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But when I broke free, I was looking for that divine guidance, that that safety, that hope, that life.

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And the only answer that came to mind was Sasha.

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I know what I what I mean.

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I just barely know Sasha.

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He's so new in my life.

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Sasha.

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Okay, let me go to Sasha and find out.

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And what I found out is an angel in flesh.

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Sure.

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Who is good to the deepest of his heart.

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In spite of the living miracle he is.

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I mean, in spite of all the difficulty and conditions and life and everything he got.

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The deepest, most lovable, most respectful, visionary.

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Uh-huh.

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So for my future, regardless if we would become a couple or not, because at the beginning we were not a couple.

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But he still held me healthy, thriving, all that I can be.

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That is way beyond hope.

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That is actually borrowing his vision and believing that there is something more from me, which I did not believe at the moment I broke free from domestic violence.

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Oh my gosh.

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So that's how I would answer that question.

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Yeah.

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That's really powerful.

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And I think, again, as we're in the holiday season, you know, my understanding that there's a lot of folks that do become depressed during this time of year.

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So what advice would you share to them in terms of not I wouldn't say clinging to hope, but having something in their life that they look forward to that the next day is going to be better than today?

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And how that manifests itself to uh to to healing.

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If you can imagine, first of all, I would say get some inspiration, listen to other people's stories.

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I have published many, many, many episodes on both podcasts, Uplift as well as Real Talk Real Women.

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To actually tell you there is a future, there is life, there is light on the other side of the tunnel that seems very dark at that moment in time.

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What you feel now is not forever, it is just now.

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Right.

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We live a collection of eternities that feel like eternity, but it's basically a few days, a few years.

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Sure.

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A few a while.

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Something to get you by.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Hope, faith, and prayer.

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That's what I like to uh that's beautiful.

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And gratitude, I would say start to be grateful for something.

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Even if it is that the tip of your tongue does not hurt.

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If really you have to find something that does not even if it is just that, focus on something you are grateful for so that you can get started a new loop in your thought process where you start to notice things.

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You are grateful for you.

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I would take it at the next level.

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Go ahead.

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You smile for a person that is going through these really miserable times, smile at another individual.

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Yeah, try that.

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Right.

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Because they are on the receiving end would feel grateful.

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Then that energy comes back to you.

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I love that.

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And that works.

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Yeah.

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And that works.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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It's interesting.

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I mean, this this whole what Gemma does is just so amazing and powerful that I'm sure we could make this a two-hour podcast episode, but uh can't do that, unfortunately.

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So you wrote this wonderful book, and again, it is well written, folks, called Practical Overview of the 12 Universal Laws as Taught by Your Cat.

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Can you describe the book and what it's about?

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Sure, absolutely.

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So make it very simple.

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Cats manifest all the time.

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So do dogs, so do horses, so do bunnies, so do you.

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But they do it right.

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So how about we finally learn by observing them what they are doing so that we can do the same.

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But how do you define manifestation?

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Bringing from the unseen to the seed, bringing from an idea to reality, bringing to physicality an idea.

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I see.

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That's what I that is manifestation.

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So it's somewhat is it's the frequency.

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I mean it starts with a frequency.

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Yeah.

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For sure.

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And then you bring it to a lower frequency that you can actually touch.

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So how do you explain that scientifically and through the eyes of a cat?

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Yeah, absolutely.

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So in that book, we go through the 12 universal laws.

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Why 12 universal laws?

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Those laws are true regardless that you believe in them or not.

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They don't need you to believe it for working.

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And why is through a cat?

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Because cats actually use those laws all the time, and they don't ask themselves what they are doing.

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They are doing it right.

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They are actually attracting the opportunity, following the law of inspired action, going straight where they feel, using the transmutation, the perpetual transmutation of energy, transmuting our angst and our anger and our unnegative feeling into calm and positive ones.

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Okay, so we can do the same.

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We have to learn from them.

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Right?

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Yeah.

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They use the law of compensation, they give you a mouse, they give you a mouse that they just hunted.

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Right.

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And you give them a treat.

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Congratulations.

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Good hunting.

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So they just go for it.

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Of course.

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And they don't ask, they just do.

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Yeah.

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We have so much to learn from them.

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So speaking of these laws, where does your tribe, and that is your inner circle of friends and family, the folks that support you, come in regards to practicing these laws and principles?

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Because to me, they, and again, this is where we may differ, but these laws seem to be, these laws seem to live in a vacuum, right?

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Not inclusive of the environment around you.

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Yes?

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No.

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No.

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Okay.

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Let's differ.

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Yeah, let's deconstruct this.

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Exactly.

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Those laws are true regardless of you seeing them or not, you knowing them or not, you believing in them or not.

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The law of divine oneness, we are all made from that same life force energy.

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That is true regardless if you believe it or not.

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That law of vibration that we match with the frequency of whatever, that is true regardless what you believe in or not.

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The law of perpetual transmutation of energy, everything transforms, nothing ever gets lost.

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Yeah, that is true anyhow, anyway.

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And it's true on Earth as well as on the moon and on Mars or any other planet that you may think of.

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It is true anyhow, anyway.

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But we are social creatures, so we have to deal with a bad manager, right?

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Or a family member we don't like.

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Absolutely.

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How do the laws help in that regard?

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It brings back the power to yourself.

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Knowing the laws, because now you cannot say you don't know them.

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You have the book, you read the book, you apply, right?

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Uh oh.

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Done.

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So now I'm in trouble with thumbie.

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So now that you know those 12 laws, you apply them, meaning that you become the creator of your situation.

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If you have to deal with someone deemed toxic, someone who is totally not vibing with you, for that someone, they are not vibing with you either.

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And you are not vibing with them either.

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And that's okay.

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How are you going to bring back harmony in that case?

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Several options.

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You change your internal frequency, your intention.

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You set your boundaries, you know who you are, and you come with a different strong intention.

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Sure.

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That's the first thing.

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Try that.

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Because the people around you, if they are not setting the opposite intention as you, they are going to go along with whatever intention you you just want to do.

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Well, not only that, but you mentioned getting to know who you are.

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Oh, yeah, my sure.

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But unfortunately everyone doesn't know who they are.

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And so these outside influences affect your inner soul.

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And I think that's the message here that I think needs to resonate.

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It's like, how does this person who needs help take that initial step to internalize who they are so that this negativity doesn't consume them?

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That's a choice.

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So on that one, you apply the law of perpetual transmutation of energy law number six in this book.

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It's to actually become conscious of your emotions, your thoughts.

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Self-awareness.

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Self-awareness.

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Okay.

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Like hear yourself think.

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And if you're not sure, write it to someone.

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Write just what you think.

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Things are that way.

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You know, when you make like those statements, this is that.

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Write to what you're doing.

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It takes courage to do that though.

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Sometimes it just takes to answer back to a social media post that just triggered you.

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I see.

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And that actually you start to say, no, this is that, this is that.

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Hold on.

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Take a step back on what you just wrote.

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Because you are actually spelling out your beliefs.

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Beliefs that you ha now have the power to transmute into something that is actually supporting you.

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Because whatever you believe that makes you miserable.

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You believe that until further notice a belief is meant to be uh challenged and maybe changed.

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A belief is only something you picked up on.

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Yeah.

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Doesn't it a belief is not a universal truth.

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So it's more important again, have this circle of friends and family that can help support you as you go through this journey, then.

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Because you can't do it alone.

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If you have the the blessing of having a trusted circle of friends and family, sure, lean on them.

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Not everybody has this opportunity.

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True.

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Not everybody can lean on friends and family.

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Many people are lonely and alone with their and they're suffering in silence.

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Oh my gosh.

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Right.

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Because they have nothing, no, no, nobody to talk to.

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Maybe they talk to their cats, or maybe to their dogs, and that can be and that can help.

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Right.

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But all that inner healing, all that inner journey to actually find out who you are, understand what's going on, put words on it, apply the 12 laws now that you know them.

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Become self-aware and change those beliefs because those beliefs are not supporting you for sure, not.

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Otherwise you wouldn't be so depressed.

00:17:34.960 --> 00:17:38.240
Well, one of the things I really appreciated about the book is how it's written.

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Again, citizens, it's a well-written book, but it's not in a way that it's paragraph and paragraphs long.

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It's actually short phrases and sentences that make you pause and reflect.

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And I just want to share with you what I was able to internalize that made me stop and reflect.

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Um, replace comparison with compassion.

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Yeah, replace envy with celebration, replace shame with understanding.

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I just, on its own, it's the merit is there just to make you think and reflect.

00:18:11.279 --> 00:18:19.519
Um and but for me, the best quote that shook me to the core was be honest with your soul, it already knows.

00:18:20.880 --> 00:18:25.599
That was amazing what Gemma and perhaps Sasha had written.

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It's just so eloquently stated and beautiful and simple.

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Be honest with your soul, it already knows.

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Can you explain what that means to the audience?

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Okay.

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Not perhaps, but like guaranteed Sasha.

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When you actually look at yourself in the mirror, or on paper, when you read what you wrote, or on a recording when you listen to what you said, and you become really honest with what's going on, and you really try to put words on what you feel, even if it is an inner battle.

00:19:06.480 --> 00:19:09.599
That's hard because it is hard, it's okay to be hard.

00:19:09.680 --> 00:19:11.440
Yeah, nobody said it's easy.

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Sure.

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Good point.

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Nobody said it's easy, yeah.

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But it's worth it.

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It's so worth it.

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That is the inner work I had to do to break free from victim mindset and mentality to victorious mindset and mentality.

00:19:28.640 --> 00:19:29.519
How long did it take you?

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Oh years.

00:19:30.799 --> 00:19:32.799
Years, five to eight years.

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And how did you measure yourself on the progress you were making?

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Uh that's quite easy as well.

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Look at your life around you.

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You look at the feedback around you.

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Because you have a constant direct feedback of where you are at in the experience you have with other people.

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Sure.

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Look at who you attracted to talk to.

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Because that tells you a lot about where you are at in your life.

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Just imagine.

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If you are extremely poor, can you freely talk with someone you know is a billionaire?

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Uh nope.

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No, no.

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It's possible.

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I mean, but like freely talk without that hindering, but I'm so low and he's so right.

00:20:21.920 --> 00:20:22.559
By reservation.

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Exactly.

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Yeah.

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Like, like freely.

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It's hard.

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When you don't know, sure, absolutely, you're going to talk with everybody.

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In that example, you know.

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It's like, uh-uh.

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Right.

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So there is something going on here.

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If you can absolutely observe yourself and notice that you are still not able to talk with someone who is so much better off than you, that means that you haven't leveled up enough.

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So you continue to go through your inner.

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Exactly.

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Yeah.

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But that means that level up the frequency.

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Okay.

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Okay.

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That's what I mean basically.

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So yeah.

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So this is why you continue to do your work because what you are doing is elevating your frequency.

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Until it is absolutely evident to talk with someone who is much better off than you.

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Is that easy to do?

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No.

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No.

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No.

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It is doable.

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Good.

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It is done.

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Yeah.

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But no, it's not easy.

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It requires a lot of self-awareness and desire to grow.

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Desire to outgrow yourself.

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Willingness.

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Desire to actually become a better human being.

00:21:30.400 --> 00:21:30.799
Yeah.

00:21:30.960 --> 00:21:42.079
You know, a lot of this part in the podcast themes ultimately, again, it is around the inner spirit, self-awareness, gratitude, but it's all about at the end of the day, it's how to become a good person or how to be a good person.

00:21:42.799 --> 00:21:44.079
It all comes down to that.

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Yeah.

00:21:44.640 --> 00:21:57.279
So now when you can actually apply those laws, now you know a lot more about yourself and about the world surrounding you and your role and how you impact the world around you.

00:21:57.519 --> 00:21:57.680
Right.

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And there is a lot of karma, which is so true.

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It's built into the system.

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You cannot escape it, right?

00:22:06.799 --> 00:22:07.200
Yeah.

00:22:07.440 --> 00:22:11.200
I mean, to me, what uh I really liked was law number nine.

00:22:11.279 --> 00:22:11.599
Yeah.

00:22:11.839 --> 00:22:15.279
Um, my birthday is on April 9th, so I kind of like that number.

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It's the law of relativity, which states nothing has meaning until it is compared to something else.

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All circumstances are neutral.

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Meaning is created through perspective.

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That is the law we use to do most of my healing.

00:22:31.519 --> 00:22:32.160
Oh, really?

00:22:32.319 --> 00:22:32.559
Yeah.

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Changing perspective on whatever event meaning I gave in my life.

00:22:37.680 --> 00:22:38.319
Yeah.

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True.

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You apply the law of relativity, you change the meaning of events.

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Because it is nothing until you actually apply meaning to it.

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It is what it is.

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Yes.

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It is criminal because we have a law that criminalizes that behavior.

00:22:55.519 --> 00:22:56.079
What do you mean?

00:22:56.160 --> 00:22:57.279
I don't understand.

00:22:57.920 --> 00:23:09.920
It is criminal, meaning said to be a crime because we have a book of law that says that that behavior is a crime.

00:23:11.119 --> 00:23:17.920
Like now, totally different society, different modality, different everything, different laws.

00:23:18.079 --> 00:23:18.720
Yeah.

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Nobody considers that as a crime.

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So you don't either.

00:23:23.279 --> 00:23:24.400
So perspective.

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Because things it is as it is.

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Until you say, no, this is A, this is B.

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Okay.

00:23:32.960 --> 00:23:35.359
A has that consequence, B has that consequence.

00:23:35.440 --> 00:23:35.759
Okay.

00:23:35.839 --> 00:23:38.240
But that's all law of relativity applied.

00:23:38.559 --> 00:23:42.240
Isn't that a matter of perspective for each person, or is that a universal truth?

00:23:42.720 --> 00:23:49.200
The law of relativity is a universal truth, meaning nothing has meaning until you assign meaning to it.

00:23:49.279 --> 00:23:50.559
That is a universal truth.

00:23:50.720 --> 00:23:51.039
Okay.

00:23:51.359 --> 00:23:57.759
Everybody apply that for themselves, and society applies that for itself as a whole.

00:23:58.079 --> 00:23:58.480
Yeah.

00:23:58.799 --> 00:23:59.599
Got it.

00:24:00.400 --> 00:24:02.000
Okay, that makes a lot of sense.

00:24:02.240 --> 00:24:16.799
And you know, for me, I also like to, I mean, ultimately, the guests have this message where you know we it's about positivity and trying to change a person's learned behavior to a new perspective and a new way of life.

00:24:16.880 --> 00:24:26.960
And so I am just curious to find out, uh, Gemma, for someone who is tackling anxiety or depression, which three laws apply the most and why?

00:24:27.359 --> 00:24:28.240
369.

00:24:28.559 --> 00:24:29.680
I thought about that one.

00:24:29.839 --> 00:24:30.480
369.

00:24:30.880 --> 00:24:32.400
The law of correspondence.

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As within, so without.

00:24:37.839 --> 00:24:38.559
So take back.

00:24:38.960 --> 00:24:39.440
Sorry, what's that?

00:24:39.519 --> 00:24:41.680
Like uh the fly was just the law of correspondence.

00:24:41.839 --> 00:24:42.240
Yes.

00:24:42.559 --> 00:24:44.640
As within, so without.

00:24:44.960 --> 00:24:47.039
As within, so without.

00:24:47.519 --> 00:24:52.480
What you feel inside of you is what you notice outside of you.

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That's what it means.

00:24:54.160 --> 00:24:54.480
Okay.

00:24:55.599 --> 00:25:00.160
The way it is above is the way it is below.

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Whatever that means.

00:25:01.599 --> 00:25:07.279
The meaning that your imagination of what heaven means is what you can also see here.

00:25:07.680 --> 00:25:08.000
Sure.

00:25:09.039 --> 00:25:10.240
So that's the first law.

00:25:10.400 --> 00:25:22.480
So that means that if you feel so anxiety, so much anxiety and so much depression for a moment, for a while, when you think about the specific things, even if it is a clinical depression, by the way.

00:25:24.960 --> 00:25:29.279
The law of correspondence says you feel depressed, you see depressing things outside.

00:25:29.680 --> 00:25:30.000
True.

00:25:30.240 --> 00:25:30.400
Yeah.

00:25:30.960 --> 00:25:32.480
It's how you it's how you view the world.

00:25:33.519 --> 00:25:33.759
Yeah.

00:25:34.960 --> 00:25:41.839
So how about you look for one little thing that is not depressing, but actually a joy.

00:25:44.640 --> 00:25:45.359
I like that.

00:25:46.000 --> 00:25:53.200
And when you notice that, you start to notice something else that is joyful that corresponds to that that little glimmer of hope and joy.

00:25:53.440 --> 00:25:53.680
Right.

00:25:54.720 --> 00:25:57.920
It can be just a butterfly coming and stopping on your finger.

00:25:58.960 --> 00:26:00.720
I mean, it can be anything.

00:26:01.039 --> 00:26:02.480
Oh the small joys of life.

00:26:02.640 --> 00:26:02.960
Yeah.

00:26:03.440 --> 00:26:03.920
Exactly.

00:26:04.799 --> 00:26:05.440
That can be.

00:26:06.640 --> 00:26:21.119
One time I look I read in a in a in a memory in a book that has written that was written by someone who spent uh decades in prison in solitary confinement.

00:26:21.680 --> 00:26:29.279
That one time there was a small uh rat who actually runs through the cell.

00:26:29.839 --> 00:26:39.359
And everybody stopped uh stopped breathing to not disturb because it was a living being finally visiting them.

00:26:41.599 --> 00:26:42.799
No, it was not a cat.

00:26:43.279 --> 00:26:44.640
It was a little rat.

00:26:45.440 --> 00:26:51.200
And when I read that, it was it's a long time ago, but I remember that to answer your question.

00:26:51.680 --> 00:26:59.119
Suddenly, that moment in time, they valued that ray of life, right?

00:26:59.359 --> 00:27:04.240
Of hope visiting them in the darkest time of their lives, which was a very long time.

00:27:04.640 --> 00:27:06.799
That sounds like uh a scene from the Green Mile.

00:27:07.119 --> 00:27:07.599
Could be.

00:27:07.759 --> 00:27:08.480
Yeah, yeah.

00:27:08.799 --> 00:27:09.279
Could be.

00:27:09.440 --> 00:27:09.759
Yeah.

00:27:10.640 --> 00:27:14.160
It's a long time ago, but I mean that is something that actually struck me.

00:27:14.480 --> 00:27:15.119
Yeah.

00:27:15.519 --> 00:27:18.160
So that's law of correspondence is three.

00:27:18.319 --> 00:27:18.559
Yeah.

00:27:18.799 --> 00:27:19.440
Number six?

00:27:19.759 --> 00:27:22.720
Number six law of perpetual transmutation of energy.

00:27:23.759 --> 00:27:24.480
When you apply it.

00:27:24.640 --> 00:27:25.440
Transfer of energy.

00:27:26.319 --> 00:27:32.000
Perpetual transmutation, yeah, transformation of energy.

00:27:33.839 --> 00:27:38.319
If that is a universal law, how does that apply to someone who is depressed and anxious?

00:27:38.559 --> 00:27:38.960
Yes.

00:27:43.279 --> 00:27:48.000
Nothing ever gets lost, but everything transmute and transform.

00:27:49.200 --> 00:27:54.400
One thought gives a different vibration.

00:27:54.720 --> 00:27:57.119
Is that because energy can't be destroyed or created?

00:27:57.519 --> 00:27:57.680
Yes.

00:27:57.839 --> 00:27:58.000
Okay.

00:27:58.160 --> 00:27:58.880
Yes, exactly.

00:27:59.039 --> 00:28:01.599
This is where it actually planetic physics and remembered it.

00:28:01.759 --> 00:28:02.400
Yeah, right.

00:28:03.200 --> 00:28:05.279
So it it works the same with emotions.

00:28:05.519 --> 00:28:05.839
Yeah.

00:28:06.160 --> 00:28:07.119
Same way with emotions.

00:28:07.359 --> 00:28:10.799
Yeah, you cannot simply be devoid of emotions.

00:28:11.039 --> 00:28:11.680
Right.

00:28:12.240 --> 00:28:14.880
You either go negative or you go positive.

00:28:15.359 --> 00:28:16.000
Yeah.

00:28:16.799 --> 00:28:17.119
Okay.

00:28:17.519 --> 00:28:18.480
So you didn't know that.

00:28:18.720 --> 00:28:19.839
Pivot it.

00:28:20.480 --> 00:28:21.599
Transmute it.

00:28:21.920 --> 00:28:25.039
So apply the love of perpetual transmutation of energy.

00:28:25.839 --> 00:28:32.240
And law number nine, relativity, nothing has meaning unless you apply meaning to it.

00:28:32.960 --> 00:28:36.319
Is that meaning a good thing for you to believe and to think?

00:28:36.559 --> 00:28:36.880
No.

00:28:37.039 --> 00:28:38.079
Okay, change it.

00:28:38.319 --> 00:28:39.200
Well, it's a choice.

00:28:39.440 --> 00:28:42.640
It's a choice to believe what you believe and to give that meaning.

00:28:42.720 --> 00:28:43.359
It's a choice.

00:28:43.519 --> 00:28:49.759
And it's not because everybody in your world believes that it is true.

00:28:49.920 --> 00:28:50.160
No.

00:28:50.640 --> 00:28:53.839
Well, and that actually takes a life of its own when it comes to bowling or cyberbullying.

00:28:53.920 --> 00:28:54.079
Yeah.

00:28:54.240 --> 00:28:57.440
Just because someone said something, that doesn't mean you have to internalize it.

00:28:57.680 --> 00:29:03.039
You just, I don't know, make a see it for what it is and then move on.

00:29:04.400 --> 00:29:04.960
Yeah.

00:29:05.279 --> 00:29:09.119
And it's not because everybody believes it that it is true?

00:29:09.519 --> 00:29:10.079
Nope.

00:29:10.319 --> 00:29:10.880
Right.

00:29:11.680 --> 00:29:15.920
Just because everybody chose to believe it and did not challenge it.

00:29:16.079 --> 00:29:17.440
Start to challenge it.

00:29:18.000 --> 00:29:18.319
Sure.

00:29:18.559 --> 00:29:19.839
Whatever it is.

00:29:20.480 --> 00:29:26.880
Is that some of the parting words of wisdom that you would want to share to the audience that's listening?

00:29:27.599 --> 00:29:29.519
I want to really tell something.

00:29:30.480 --> 00:29:34.079
There is always light on the other side of the tunnel.

00:29:34.720 --> 00:29:37.839
But sometimes it comes in the form of a cat or a dog.

00:29:38.400 --> 00:29:39.359
Or a horse.

00:29:39.519 --> 00:29:40.240
Who knows?

00:29:40.960 --> 00:29:42.160
Maybe a butterfly.

00:29:42.799 --> 00:29:51.519
Because when you observe the animals and nature around you, they are beaming love, light, and peace.

00:29:54.319 --> 00:29:55.119
They're spiritual creatures.

00:29:55.279 --> 00:29:56.000
Oh wow, they are.

00:29:56.079 --> 00:29:56.240
Yeah.

00:29:56.480 --> 00:29:57.680
And they are spirit animal.

00:29:58.400 --> 00:29:59.119
Yes, true.

00:29:59.440 --> 00:30:04.880
So like start to really like notice notice.

00:30:06.319 --> 00:30:13.440
And I think that's an excellent way to unfortunately end today's podcast episode.

00:30:13.519 --> 00:30:30.640
We could have gone for a long time, but in the interest of time, Gemma, I thank you so kindly to come and share your journey, share your story, and how this book can hopefully influence a lot of people in terms of the self awareness and the inner spirit that they all carry.

00:30:30.799 --> 00:30:40.960
And again, for me, it just goes back to that jarring phrase that uh that I read be honest with your soul, it already knows.00:30:41.200 --> 00:30:42.000


Thank you.