The Reality of Becoming a Successful Actor, With Kareem Grimes

Ego, Side Jobs, And Purpose

SPEAKER_02 0:00

I think that was the blessing is to have the fortitude and attitude to be able to say, Hey man, I need a side job and remove the ego. You're born for a purpose and a reason. You know, I think we just go through life finding out what our purpose is. But once you find your purpose, then that's when you're able to share that with the world. I think we're born here for a reason and for service to others. Everybody has their journey. I don't know what kind of hell that person went through to get to this point. I'm just saying all the blessings that they're getting, but I don't know what they went through before that to get to this point.

Show Welcome And Guest Setup

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Welcome to the Young Nation, the Spirit of Gratitude podcast on the One Tigrection platform. Hello, friends. My name is Jogash Patel, and this podcast explores the themes of building self-awareness and the power of our inner spirit, including the silent battles we all face. Join me every week as I invite high-profile guests as we explore how adversity shapes us, how gratitude lifts us, and how we can all uncover the inner strength that we all have within ourselves. Join the conversation. I appreciate you listening in.

SPEAKER_01 1:08

Some people look at success and only see the destination. They don't see the years of uncertainty, the jobs taken just to make ends meet, or the quiet moments when giving up one would have that would have been the easier choice. Well, my next guest knows this journey very well. Today, millions know Kareem Grimms as a fan favorite preach from All American, now entering in its eighth and final season, and as Little Red on SWAT. As acclaimed filmmaker, John Singleton recognized Kareem's talent early in his career. The road to lasting success was anything but overnight. Kareem has doing odd jobs in between, I wouldn't say odd, but again, driving Ubers and Lyfts between auditions. That's the part of success that we really hear about the perseverance that happens long before the applause. And in this conversation, folks, Kareem shares what it takes to keep believing in yourself, staying grounded through success, and why the kindness of strangers can change a person's life. Kareem, it's an honor to welcome you to the podcast. Ah, thank you for having me. Happy to be here. Thank you. Appreciate

How Kareem Got Into Acting

SPEAKER_01 2:14

it. Well, tell us a little about yourself. How did you get into acting?

SPEAKER_02 2:17

Oh man, uh, you know, just a kid who watched a lot of TV and liked to entertain his family. Uh from that point on, it was just something that I was just like, oh yeah, this is good to be able to make people laugh. Uh my family really helped, as I say, the village really poured into me. And I had friends that I grew up around who were already in the business. So seeing them and you know, them studying for auditions and going auditions, I was like, yo, this is something that I feel I can do. And from that point on, man, it was just like got into acting class and that was it. Once I got in acting class, got bit, as they say, by the bug. And yeah, that was that was all she wrote.

SPEAKER_01 3:08

Well, that story is well written, in my opinion, over the years.

John Singleton’s Breakthrough Moment

SPEAKER_01 3:14

Tell me about John Singleton. I mean, such uh such a marquee uh name in the industry, and you know, rest a soul up in the heavens.

SPEAKER_02 3:23

Yeah, John was um John really saw something in me, uh, gave me my first shot. Uh when I did Boys in the Hood, I was just an extra. And we're like two weeks into shooting. Um it's lunchtime, we're just throwing the ball around, and John is like asking us uh questions, our name, how we are. And um, John was like, yo, um, I'm gonna give you some lines. You cool with that? And I was like, absolutely. Now there were other kids there um that he could have easily, you know, given lines to, but it was something that he saw me, gave me lines, and from that point on, man, that was it. That's how I got in the sag. And um yeah, that was really kind of like the battery that I needed, and I just never looked back.

SPEAKER_01 4:15

That's amazing. So that's such an inspiring story. I mean, again, just the grit and the and the determination to to perfect your craft, right? To to perfect your craft and the results that come that came about not knowing what perhaps if it was fate or destiny was at the time.

SPEAKER_02 4:35

Yeah, I think it was God's timing for sure. Uh more than anything.

SPEAKER_01 4:42

Is that what you would say to encourage others that perhaps are going through a particular challenge? Amy, again, whether it's their calling or it's something that their gifts allow them to, just stick with it, persevere.

SPEAKER_02 4:55

Yeah, it's that's that's that's exactly what it is. I mean, you know, I started in the business in the 80s, and you know, by the grace of God, I'm still in the business doing it. Um you know, that's just a true testament. Uh, I've seen a lot of my colleagues, you know, start before me who are no longer in this business. Uh they either got burned out or, you know, just life happens. Uh for me, you know, to to be able to to to be in this business 30 plus years, um, you know, is nothing nothing but God,

Side Jobs, Survival, And Staying Grounded

SPEAKER_02 5:32

nothing but a blessing.

SPEAKER_01 5:33

Yeah. Did you ever have that moment of feeling burned out? And what did you do to get you back in the in the present?

SPEAKER_02 5:41

I don't know if I felt burnt out. Um because through it all, I've always had side jobs. You know, um, I've always had a job. So it wasn't to where it was just acting, acting, acting. You know, it was like, okay, I have an audition, do that, then I gotta go back to my side job. So I didn't really have time to, you know, harp on the audition or what I didn't get, uh, because it was just like, all right, you gotta do this and then get back to work.

SPEAKER_01 6:18

So um you're not dwelling on it too much.

SPEAKER_02 6:20

No, I mean I dwelled on it, but it was like I only had to give my, you know, it was it was literally like 24 hours, 72 hours, and then after that, I gotta keep it going, man, because life continues to happen, my job, and things of that nature. So uh, you know, I think that was the blessing is to have the fortitude and attitude to be able to say, hey man, I need a side job and remove the ego just because I booked a few things or I was on TV or commercial to say, hey, I'm not too good to get a regular job. And I think that has you know grounded me early on. Um, and that has, you know, that's carried me in in, you know, being a part of my journey and who I am is uh removing my ego and saying, hey, you know, you have to get a job. Um the acting is not, you know, consistent.

SPEAKER_01 7:26

So um that's what it's been, and you know, that's what I've been yeah, I guess there's an element of of uh again, no disrespect to you, but just for me, what what you've what I've interpreted you've said in terms of how I'm able to process it is is that element of survival.

SPEAKER_02 7:43

Absolutely, man. Uh the the basics, you know. Um, you know, for me it was just like, you know, I didn't I didn't want to be the starving artist, um, as that was just, you know, I didn't like I didn't like you could have been a chef or a cook. I didn't like uh ramen noodles, Raymond Noodles, you know, no disrespect for those who like that, but that just wasn't the thing, you know. So therefore, uh having parents who worked and grandparents and knowing the value of a dollar and knowing, hey man, you know, uh bills don't take breaks, so you have to work. And that's that's what it always has been with me. Um and to this day, you know, you know, my mindset is you know, hustle like I'm broke. Hustle like I'm broke.

SPEAKER_01 8:35

Yeah, and is that discipline taught, or is it something you have it in you?

Daily Deposits That Compound Over Time

SPEAKER_02 8:41

I think you you it's it's taught, you know, as a young kid, you're seeing your parents go to work, you're seeing your grandparents work. Um they're you know, instilling you, you know, the value of a dollar, um, you know, being able to work and save your money and and invest wisely and smart. You know, that's that's a learned behavior. You have to see that, you have to be around that. Um so that's that's what it was for me, you know, seeing seeing my mom and dad work for sure. And and family members, you know, like I said, it was a village uh that uh played a big part in who I am. So, you know, each person deposited something into me that you know I've carried and and made it a part of who I am.

SPEAKER_01 9:30

It's like a bank account when you mention the word deposit, because I'm thinking this of this piggy bank, right? You know, and you deposit good things in it, and then over time it compounds.

SPEAKER_02 9:39

Absolutely. And when it's time to cash in, you know, you'll have a you'll have a great return, you know, and I think that's what it is in life is anything that you want to do in life, you gotta make daily deposits. Whatever that is for you, whether you work out, sing, meditate, pray, uh, read a book, do something uh that's towards what you want to be in life. Uh I truly believe you have to make those deposits because the more you make those deposits, the greater your return will be.

SPEAKER_01 10:07

Yeah, again, and as you mentioned, it goes to anything in your life that you want to improve or gain, which is, you know, it could be emotional security, it could be financial security, right? Your friends, your health. I think that that's really important. I think that's something we don't uh, at least I for one, don't see it where we honor our bodies like our shrines.

SPEAKER_02 10:30

Yeah, we have to. We only get one, as they say. So you gotta take care of it, man. You gotta take care

Preach On All American And Transformation

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of it.

SPEAKER_01 10:37

Well, tell me about uh your character preach. Um, you know, again, for the audience members that don't know your character or all American, could you provide a little summary of of the show and this character that perhaps uh has taught you things or you've taught the character things?

SPEAKER_02 10:55

Yeah, uh All Americans based on a true story. Uh this guy named Spencer Paysinger. Uh it's based on his story growing up in South Central and football being an outlet and the access to be able to, you know, go from uh South Central to being able to play at Beverly. That that's what the show is about and his struggles, um his dual struggles with being from South Central and going to Beverly where it's a lot different. I think there are the same as far as you know, you have the same uh life situations uh when you're dealing with kids in high school. Um but you know, there is there is a realness of, you know, when you go to Beverly, there is access that you may not get in South Central. Um and my character, Preach, uh, starts off as this guy who's really an enforcer uh for Tyrone and then you know creates this friendship with Breezy Coop. And you know, he sees something in her uh and you know, kind of steers her away from the street life because he's done that. He's just made a bad a couple of bad decisions in life. He's very smart, just made bad choices, and uh he sees something in her and you know, then starts to become a promoter and a manager, uh, then comes to find out he has a daughter, what that looks like uh fighting to get custody of his daughter, uh knowing now I have a kid, a mouth to feed, uh what does that look like? I have to get a job. Uh Billy Baker, played by Tate Diggs, helps him get a um uh like a teacher's aid job, and then he literally becomes a teacher. So you literally see a transformation of his character from him being in the streets to being a manager, to finding out he has a daughter, uh fighting for custody, getting, you know, looking for a job, finding a job, holding on to that job, and then becoming a teacher. Um then taking the lessons that he has learned from Billy Baker and instilling it in these kids uh to you know not have them follow the path that he you know took as a young man. Um what this character is taught is patience, um you know, consistency, uh never giving up. Uh you know, these are things that I've learned uh from doing this, uh playing this character.

SPEAKER_01 13:55

That's interesting. I mean, you know, to a certain degree, life imitates art, and just the way you describe the character, Preach. I mean, he seems to be a role model and mentor.

SPEAKER_02 14:04

Yeah, for sure. Absolutely, absolutely. And I think I've taken that on just by being on the show um, you know, from the last two episodes of the first season, and then, you know, to uh season eight, which is our final season, um, you see uh you see him become, you know, this voice of reason uh for the characters, or they're able to go to him and you know get his uh opinion on certain things and kind of puts things in perspective from his background, being in the streets, um, being in, you know, going to jail and you know, getting a second chance. And I think that's what it is with preach is that you see this guy get a second chance and make the best of his second chance. Because everybody's an ex something. Everybody's an ex something, you know, but through that we learn our lesson and just pray and hope that we don't make those same mistakes that get us back to where we were before.

SPEAKER_01 15:12

Yeah, I think it's that journey of transform of transformation that I think uh, yeah, yeah. And you know, we all see it within ourselves, right? Or perhaps, you know, in the role as a father, as a mother, as a son or a daughter, an uncle, even as a teacher. So we all go through that evolution. And that's where, you know, I get excited being the seat, uh, you know, Kareem, to just have on these incredible storytellers that share their journey of how adversity has shaped their success. And it looks like, you know, your adversity may not be may not be similar for some, but just the fact of how you mentioned before that grit, it's that perseverance, it's that never giving up. You know, so in a certain degree, I hope the listeners that listen to this can can take uh value in what you've shared and apply to themselves, especially if they're fans of of All American or even all any of the characters, I think. Uh I think yeah.

SPEAKER_02 16:09

I think somebody can see themselves in some character on that show, for sure.

SPEAKER_01 16:15

Absolutely. Yeah, yes. Yeah, that's uh that is so true.

Kindness Of Strangers And Real Service

SPEAKER_01 16:20

And you know, Kream, you and I, and you know, for for the folks that uh don't know this, uh I think no one knows this, but how Kareem and I met was through my youngest daughter who uh suffered from a Tourettez. Again, she was on the podcast, Rihanna Patel. Uh, but in spite of her bullying uh experiences in middle school, she was able to write uh two books. The second book called The Terrible Bullies. And in uh in our PR campaign between myself and Rihanni, we just went out and Instagram was early on at the time. She wrote a note to you because she was a fan of All American. And Kareem, you took the time out of your day um to visit us in a downtown Los Angeles hotel, and it still lingers to this day. Uh, Kareem, the kindness of strangers, right? You didn't have to do what you did, but yet you chose to do it. Where did this purpose to serve others come from?

SPEAKER_02 17:18

Just good rate, good upgrade, uh upbringing. You know, I can literally, you know, I give that credit to my mother, my father, my grandparents, my village, um, you know, of that man, and uh having sympathy, you know, and empathy for people. Um you know, uh being in this position as an actor and having a show where people, you know, take an hour out of their time to invite you into their home. And, you know, when you have somebody who uh connects with the show, who's a fan of the show, the character, uh, you know, I think it's I think just as an as an artist, um you have a you have a duty, man, just to thank people. You know, it doesn't have to be a long out or you know, but just acknowledgement um is is goes a long way. It doesn't have to be something, you know, drawn out, but really like, hey, I see you, thank you, and I appreciate you. Because without, you know, without your daughter and other people watching the show, we wouldn't have eight seasons. So I just feel for me, um as an artist, just you know, how I make people feel, you know, uh is is is very important. W them leaving my presence, how did it how did how did I make them feel for that second minute, hour, whatever it is, um, you know, that's that's what it's about for me, man, is a service.

SPEAKER_01 19:02

Well, and that's something that we we had mentioned, Kareem, on our pre-planning call, which is a great segue. Um, you know, you said that we should speak to people in a way where if tomorrow never came, you know, we'd be at peace with our last words. And can you can you explain that and uh and what taught you to live with that level of intention?

SPEAKER_02 19:22

Yeah, man. You know, it's how the people interacting, you know, how did they feel when they were in your presence? How did you make them feel? Speaks values. Um, because for that second or that minute or that hour, um, you never know what that person is going through. Uh, and them seeing somebody who they admire or watch um can make a difference. Uh so for me, that's that's what it is is, you know, like I said before, if tomorrow doesn't come, uh what was that interaction like? You know, what would I be remembered by uh within that reaction of, hey man, Kareem's a good guy. You know, I felt seen, I felt heard. Um, and that's that's what it's about, the impression of how how people felt in your presence.

SPEAKER_01 20:13

Boy, wouldn't that be amazing if a lot more people would take that in into the into their hearts? Uh society would look so different because um, you know, it's I always like to to believe, again, this kind of going back true to philosophy of what Socrates had mentioned at one point. If is what you say, is it true, is it kind, and is it necessary? Right? And and I think it all starts with a smile, where it takes more muscles to create a frown than a smile. So let's take the easy way.

SPEAKER_02 20:50

Yeah. I mean, we say we say it it doesn't, it doesn't cost you a thing to to smile, you know.

SPEAKER_01 20:56

That's just it doesn't cost that at all. It really doesn't, you know. It's like, yeah, I and you know, if if a smile comes from an attractive individual, all the better because it brightens your day. Yeah. And then also, Kareem, you know, you mentioned one of your core ways of of leading life and and living life is is you know, every time you said that every time we wake up, we're already winning because somebody else didn't get a chance. And can you explain that?

SPEAKER_02 21:32

Yeah, I think you know, just the simple fact of you know us being able to wake up in our right minds um is truly a blessing. And I think that's something that we take we take for granted. You know what I mean? Um

Speak Like Tomorrow Never Comes

SPEAKER_02 21:47

and it just when you break it down and strip everything to say, hey, you know, I'm able to wake up hearing, seeing, tasting, walking, um, that right there is. That's the true blessing. Everything after that is the cherry on top. Everything after that is the blessing because we're able to, you know, have another chance at this thing called life when somebody today, you know, 12 26 PM on a Monday on July 27th didn't get that. They didn't wake up. You know, they opened their eyes, but they probably couldn't see. Or they woke up and their limbs aren't working. Or they can't speak. You know, I think these are the things that we, you know, take for granted. Um so anytime like that.

SPEAKER_01 22:38

Right. I mean, uh uh playing

Handling Stress With Thoughts And Actions

SPEAKER_01 22:40

playing a little bit of devil's advocate here, and you know, I'm I'm curious to to get your feedback. So yes, you know, we all should know at any moment in time of the gifts that we've we've been afforded in terms of our friendships, our health, our jobs, our whatever. But sometimes in those dark moments where there is stress, there is anxiety, there is depression, how do you how are you able to then think your way out of that? Maybe not think, maybe it's maybe it's a feeling. I don't know,

Waking Up Is Already A Win

SPEAKER_01 23:13

right? But how do you is there some sort of playbook? Is there some sort of of guidelines to say if you from your experience, of course, you know, if you're feeling this, try this.

SPEAKER_02 23:28

Yeah, for sure. Yeah, I think for me, you know, um when Oprah was on and she talked about the secret, uh I think that resonated with me 1000%. You know, I for me, I feel everybody has the everybody has the power and you have the key to unlock your own happiness. You know, um sometimes unnecessary stress is brought on on ourselves because we're either overthinking or you know, we're saying this and that. Oh man, what if this what if this doesn't go right? And then when you sit back and look and be like, man, I've gotten through so many stressful situations and I'm still here, I'm still alive. You know, so that lets you know, hey, this too shall pass. This is just a this is just a rough patch right now. But if I keep pushing forward and keep going, I know I'm gonna have a testimony after this test. You know, so for me, man, it's you know, I think God, God puts these obstacles in your in your path um as lessons. Um and you know, when you look back and you say, man, you can you can literally sit back and think about two or three things that were super stressful that you got through. But sometimes it takes for somebody to be like, listen, you've been through some rough stuff, and guess what? You're still here, you've made it. There's always gonna be obstacles, you know. I mean, there's always gonna be obstacles in your life, is how well you get through them. What can I learn from this? What can I take from this that will help me in the next phase of my life or the next day, you know? That's that's how I feel, that's how I feel we can get through certain things, is that you know, like I said, for me, it's just you know, thoughts become things, you know. If I'm thinking negative, then guess what? That's what's gonna come to me every single time. But if I take a moment and relax and think of something good, a place, a person, a thing, or a song or a book or phrase, then that kind of makes it like, oh man, it's not that bad. You know, somebody can listen to a certain song and they smile. You know what I mean? Whatever it takes, they can go for a walk, they can exercise. That's what it takes. That's what you have to do. Whatever it is, you have to find that. You know, I mean, for me, it's several things. I can work out that gets my mind, that gets my body right. I can listen to a certain song that literally turns the light switch on and be like, you know what? It's not that bad. It's not that bad. You know what I mean? I can go outside and go downtown and see somebody under a bridge in a tent, and then you really say, you know what, what I'm complaining about ain't that bad. Because those that person that's living under that bridge in that tent would love to switch places with me. Would love, would absolutely with a heartbeat within a second, say, yes, I'll take that.

SPEAKER_01 27:05

Let me take that a step further. Uh, probably that person that is on the street, it's just maybe one, two, maybe three bad choices in life that got them there.

SPEAKER_02 27:13

Absolutely. Everybody, everybody is a paycheck away, a couple of bad decisions, you know. I mean, so that's why it's just like you have to be grateful for what you have and also know, set your intention of when I wake up, how how can I be better than what I was yesterday?

Patience, Small Wins, And The Long Game

SPEAKER_02 27:38

What can I do today? Uh decream, how do you stay patient throughout the journey? You have to, man. It's it's it's it's I had to learn it the hard way. You know what I mean? You see your friends who you know are successful or getting this, and it's just like, wow, why can't I get that? And sometimes it's just like it's not your it's not your time yet. Everybody has their journey. I don't know what kind of hell that person went through to get to this point. But yet I'm I'm just seeing, I'm just seeing the I'm just seeing all the blessings that they're getting, but I don't know what they went through before that to get to this point. So everybody has their journey, you know. I mean, and for me, it was just like, hey, if I'm in this business, this is a marathon, not a sprint. I'm in it for the long haul, you know, and you know, to to celebrate, sell, celebrate the victories, celebrate the small wins each and every day, you know? And that's that's how I approach life, man, is you know, if I'm able to wake up, you know, how can I be better than I was yesterday and take advantage of it? Carpe

Resilience, Appreciation, And Not Disrespecting Life

SPEAKER_02 28:49

Diem.

SPEAKER_01 28:49

So this uh podcast, again, if we live our life through a lens of foundation, I believe that there are five core pillars that bring it to this sense of this foundation. And I'm curious to get your take in terms of which two out of the five would most resonate with you, and that is appreciation, awareness, humility, courage, and resilience. Yeah, resilience for sure.

SPEAKER_02 29:19

Just keep going. Appreciation, appreciation of what I have right now. Um because I remember when I didn't. And now that I have it, you know what I mean? Awareness. I'm aware of what I have, the position that I'm in. Um when you are when you are aware of that, then you know how to deal with it. You know how to respect it, you know how to not disrespect it, not take, um, not take it for granted. You know, um, I tell people, man, when when you've when you've gone through the journey of me working nine to five jobs that you don't want to go to, that you don't want to be at, and then having the opportunity to be able to be on set to do something that you absolutely love, you appreciate it more. You appreciate those days on set, those long hours. So for me, I I that's why when I'm on set, I never complain because there's nothing to complain about. I'm doing what I love. Now, there's a job that I've had to go to where I had to clock in and take my 15 and then take my my 30 and all that other stuff, and then being told, hey, you have to go over there and micromanage. I don't I'm not I don't have to do that when I'm on set because I'm doing what I love.

SPEAKER_01 30:41

It's interesting you mentioned, I mean, the point about disrespect. I mean, that to me is certainly something that I've it you it hit me like like a brick wall in a good way. And that is, you know, for me, sometimes in my periods of down, of being down, I don't respect what I have, and I disrespect, right, the things that uh I'm envious of. Whether it's human psychology or it's interesting. So you just made me realize something that I really didn't know. It's like, no, it's it's not just appreciation, but it's not disrespecting what you already have. Exactly.

SPEAKER_02 31:27

Exactly, man. It's the it's it but it but that goes to awareness. You have to be aware. You gotta be aware of what you have. And once you're aware of what you have, you know, hey, I can't treat this any old kind of way. Because it can be here today and gone tomorrow.

SPEAKER_01 31:46

And just kind of kind of taking it one step further. I mean, supposing you share your frustrations, you share your emotions, like, of course, it's it's important to do that. It's therapeutic, right? It's therapy. Um, the other person who's hearing this is perhaps sensing this person's not respecting the things that brought him whole, right? And so, yeah, this is this is this is great. I'm glad I was able to ask uh ask this question at the very end. And speaking of the end, but I think that takes but that takes growth though.

SPEAKER_02 32:18

That takes, you know, it's a saying that you know, I've heard my grandmother and and and my elders say is you know, just keep on living. Just keep on living. You know, what that is, you continue to go through life and you keep living, you tend to see things and learn things each and every day, and be like, oh wow, dang. Okay, man, okay, I got a roof over my head. I can walk a couple of steps to the bathroom, you know, I can turn the faucet on, wash my hands, get in the shower whenever I want to, go to my refrigerator, open it up, it's full. I, you know, as they say, not a bad life. You know, if uh if I'm complaining, if I'm complaining a lot, who who really cares anyway? It ain't gonna do nothing. It ain't gonna do

Closing Message On Purpose

SPEAKER_02 33:10

nothing.

SPEAKER_01 33:10

Kareem, this has been an incredible episode. And again, citizens, that's I who I call the listeners of Yog Nation. If there's uh again, I just think that what Kareem had shared is just so much compassion and wisdom in what he shared in terms of his ability to, you know, be a mentor through a fictional character, mind you. Um again, if there's anything that you perhaps see in this message that is reflective of some of the things that you're struggling with, you know, please reach out. Uh, you know, you've got this community of supporters here on the podcast to help support you. Find a friend, find a colleague, find a family member that can help you through. Because again, as a in, you know, Kareem, just for what it's worth, this community that I'm building again is around resilience. It's around appreciation, it's around courage, um, and all these other pillars that that I've mentioned. So you get the final call, Kareem. Um, is there anything is there anything that I missed on this podcast episode that you would like to share to the audience? I'll give you the final word.

SPEAKER_02 34:10

No, I mean, you know, I think, you know, those that are listening, you matter. Um, you're born for a purpose and a reason. You know, I think we just go through life finding out what our purpose is. And once you find your purpose, uh, you know, then that's when you're able to share that with the world. I think we're born uh here for um reason and for service to others. And I think once you find that out, uh you then fully understand what your purpose is in life. So, you know, keep the good fight, um, never give up. Uh you know, make those daily deposits each and every day. They don't have to be big, but as long as you make a deposit, uh, you know, your return will be great.

SPEAKER_01 34:56

Beautifully said, and thank you, Kareem. Absolutely.